Elvis Costello Ticket

Elvis Costello Ticket

One of the numerous fun aspects of the early Scorgie’s days, and the music scene in Rochester at that time, was that the whole new music trend really had not caught on yet.  There was a small dedicated group that went to the club to listen to the custom stocked juke box and drink Bass Ale on tap.  It was like a hidden secret clubhouse for a short while.  So it was not uncommon to run into celebrities there, or invite them to drop by.

One night worth mentioning was after seeing Elvis Costello perform at the Auditorium Theatre in early 1979.  A few of us knew where he was staying and stopped by the hotel lounge after the show (thanks to John Pusateri, a man in the know!).  We told him we’d love for him to stop by Scorgie’s where he would probably not even be recognized and have a drink, listen to the tunes and hang out.  So, well, he did just walk over to Scorgie’s with a small entourage, came in the door and went quickly downstairs.  They ordered drinks, sitting at a table conversing amongst themselves.  Elvis was quickly recognized and people started commenting and asking for his autograph.  He was not thrilled about this (actually somewhat annoyed by the attention) and pushed people off with a simple “f*** you.”   The people near me complained that he was being rude.  I said, “I bet you $10 I can get his autograph.”  I was dared to do it.  So I walked up to him and told him I bet someone ten bucks that I could get his autograph.  He calmly responded, “f*** them” and graciously signed my ticket stub from the show.  Then he went back to his conversation and hung out for a while longer.  I went back to my table with the autograph, got my $10 and enjoyed another drink or two.

Later that year I walked into Scorgie’s with some of the members of Devo under similar circumstances.  Of course no one recognzed them without the yellow paper suits . . .

Ticket Back with Elvis' Autograph

Ticket Back with Elvis' Autograph

Bob Janneck and Brian Goodman

Bob Janneck and Brian Goodman

My friend Eileen kept telling me about the Insiders. She said you’ll love these guys!

So I head over to Moose Lips on Clinton & Ridge. During the break between sets Bob & Jim come over and start talking to me. I tell them they should check out my band Cousin & And The Relatives we have a gig at Ruth & Irv’s Astralogical Fish & Steaks!

While we’re on stage I see ALL of the Insiders come in. They have a few drinks and start dancing around.

We finish our set and Jim comes over and sez do you want to join the Insiders. So now i’m going from playing once every 6 months to playing up to 4 times a week! I said yes! I was more about the 60’s garage and Brit invasion than I was the surf music.  They said great be at Dynamic recording studios on Sunday and know these 5 British Invasion songs, All of which I already knew!

We recorded the tracks and I was on my way! We played all the time and anywhere!

I remember gigs at the Warehouse, Scorgies, Teasers, Calif. Brew House, RIT, and a bunch of places that I can’t remember the names of!!!  We opened for The Divinyls at The Red Creek! That was really odd! We happened to play 2 Aussie garage covers and the drummer was hip to what we were up to! We played on TV twice!

Once was the Morning Break Show live from Marketplace Mall! Once was on the Brian Bramm late night show

We drew good crowds, We got paid well! It’s really odd to go from the $10 each guy gigs to the $50 to $100 a guy gigs!

There’s one crazy story. We had a gig in Fancher NY. The guy who booked the show already owed the band money from a show before. We loaded up the van and head to Fancher. When we get there ex-Insider drummer Dave Disperdio band was playing ( Witch King ?).  Something goes down and we end up taking all the money they had collected at the door and left! It was only $50.00 We each got $10 & we never played!

We kinda killed the band and broke up. I found The Projectiles Ad at The Record Archives and auditioned and was in! But that’s another story for another day!!!

(Cousin ) Brian Goodman

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THE LEGACY AND LEGEND OF THE INSIDERS

West Side Family Tree Circa 1984

West Side Family Tree Circa 1984

I was pretty psyched when I first saw The Insiders at Scorgies. They, and few other bands, were anomalies sandwiched between the “New Wave” and “Punk” bands. Seeing them play live was like watching  the Beatles playing in a Rochester version of England’s Cavern Club (the Chesterfield Kings were like the Stones and the Projectiles were like the Animals)!

Every person sang in the group, although Walt O’Brien was considered the group leader (and had the best voice, to this day). I wrote about them and created a Pete Frame-like family tree in Notebook Magazine (run by Absolute Grey’s Pat Thomas). Though costly, I created a few fan club magazine issues of The Insiders that I’d pass out for free at Scorgies and other places.

Shaunn Day (who now works with Jim Havalack at Quality Transportation) started the Insiders fan club during their high school days in the late 1970’s. I continued the fan club until my I started first web site (sadly, I lost all of my copies of the Insiders fanzine in a house flood). There were several line-ups of The Insiders incorporating members of Luther & The BBB’s (who also played at Scorgies), The Infants, Projectiles, Cousin Al and the Relatives (“Cousin” Brian Goodman) and other like-minded musicians  that had an affinity for 1960’s British-invasion era music.

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Steve Lipincott of the Earcandy Archive (from Portland Oregon, home to expatriates Jim Huie and Rob Cullivan) sent me a link today to the collage “that will go along with a post announcing the forums and a Vol 1 of a podcast” on the Flower City music scene (If you haven’t done so already, check out his Absolute Grey article here).

I guess this means that Rochester is finally getting some recognition, after all of these years. Perhaps this will shine a light on the music scene we’ve come to know and love!

Flower City Jukebox

Flower City Jukebox

Link to page here, more to come (obviously).

One of the Scorgies artifacts I came across recently was a cassette of The Royals – Live At Scorgies which was actually recorded live but with applause dubbed in! It was intended for booking the band into other bars, but with the credence of having played at Scorgies. I think my friend Jon Pirincci (of Musical Messages Agency) dubbed the tapes. I actually met the guys from the Royals literally by accident at a tent festival show that featured Roy Orbison (prior to The Traveling Wilburys). We had to wait a long time for Roy because he was “warming up his voice.” Years later I found out about his secret cocaine habit;  perhaps that could have been the reason for the long wait.

I’m not sure if I first met George “Michael” Schnell and Mick Hargreaves of the Royals at a Red Wings game or an N.R.B.Q. concert (either before or after). Regardless, we became fast friends with common musical tastes. They used to have a partyin’ apartment right across from Wegmans near East Avenue that was always filled with pot smoke, music, and bed sheets hanging over the attic ceiling (like a harem den!). They were transplants from NYC and had common friendship with the Tension guys;  guitarist Mike Pappert (from Fairport) and Swing Set drummer Dave Martin (Liebowitz), who I believe was also from NYC.

George Schnell was a meticulous guitar player who eventually opened the Studio At The Village Gate recording studio. He’s known for recording bluesman Chris Beard and was briefly a Country Music DJ; and still spins  at Jeremiah’s Tavern on Monroe Avenue. Mick Hargreaves used to videotape bands for local cable TV then moved to NYC with The Diljoys and formed the Tonebenders with guitarist Doug “Davies” Cox. He later became a member of the Grip Weeds and is presently a solo artist.  By the way, one former  Royals member, drummer Joe Minotti, is currently in  Joe Hendrick & The Mudflaps.

George told me that he envisioned the Royals as a cross between 10 CC and Dave Edmunds. Eventually, as all bands seem to do, the Royals came to an end (much like Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe’s band Rockpile). George Schnell continued on with variations of the Royals; but by then it was pretty much a party house band providing studio support for his original songs.

The. tape Live at Scorgies had covers of Dave Edmunds’ Dear Dad, Nick Lowe’s I Knew The Bride, the Beatles One After 909 & Honey Don’t and Elvis Presley’s Little Sister. The originals were Get Me Out Of The Red and Let’s Jag. Get Me Out Of The Red was played extensively on local radio stations. The Royals came close to releasing a 45 single (or album) of Are You A Dancer?” b/w I’m Falling that was produced by Jeff Tyzik (yes, it’s the same big band RPO leader!). Upon listening it’s apparent that the Royals, like many other bands, could have been on the cusp of having a hit record. And like the other Scorgie’s bands – maybe they could reunite eventually for a night or two – this time for real!

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Paul Polaroids

Here’s a batch of polaroids here from the Scorgie’s days. They aren’t all from Scorgies but they are all polaroids. I wish I had taken more from the stage because they are my favorite.

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Chuck Cuminale aka Colorblind James Experience at Scorgies on March 8, 1985
Colorblind James Experience at Scorgies in 1985

I went to high school with Chuck Cuminale. He was best friends with my brother then and they were college roommates at Geneseo later on. They both moved to Oswego where Chuck put together an early version of his band called “Colorblind James and the White Caps.” Scott Regan from WRUR’s Open Tunings took my brother’s place in the cold water flat there. Scott and Chuck played in Jug bands in Oswego. We caught the White Caps performing at the Red Creek in 1980 and fell in love with the band. We played their “America, America” 7 inch nonstop.

Chuck moved to San Francisco for a while and and started playing with his brother-in-law, guitarist, Phil Marshall. They moved back to Rochester and Chuck immediately put a band together. I remember recommending Bernie Heveron as a bass player and that seemed to work out. Bernie played with us in Personal Effects for a few years. Bernie wrote “She’s A Witch” from Colorblind James’ first lp. We asked Colorblind to play with Personal Effects at Scorgies on March 8th, 1985 and these photos were taken that night by Gary Brandt. We played together again at Scorgies in August of that year.

Gary Meixner from the “White Caps” rejoined the band in Rochester. That’s him on the left. He later went on to form the infamous “Widerness Family.” Dreamland Faces do a beautiful version of Gary’s “Crossing Lake Rielly.” Bernie Heveron is on bass. Jimmy Mac settled into the drum chair and occupied it until Chuck’s death. Chuck is shown above playing guitar and Phil Marshall is on the end on lead guitar. Phil went on to form La La Land and the Hot Heads. You can see here there is a vocal mic on all four players in the front. Each of these guys put their own stamp on this band but in the end the band was all Chuck’s. I loved this band and I miss Chuck.

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Three of the Hi-Techs, Martin Edic, Peggi Fournier and Paul Dodd, before going on stage at Scorgies in 1980

Three of the Hi-Techs, Martin Edic, Peggi Fournier and Paul Dodd, before going on stage at Scorgies in 1980

Robert Slide, New Math’s original bass player, sent took these photos

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Notebook Issue 1 with Personal Effects cover

Notebook Issue 1 with Personal Effects cover

Wikipedia defines a fanzine as “a nonprofessional publication produced by fans of a particular cultural phenomenon (such as a literary or musical genre) for the pleasure of others who share their interest.” Over the years, there have been several publications of this type, including Greg Prevost’s Outasite and The Refrigerator.

The Notebook is a classic example of this type of self-published media. Created by Absolute Grey drummer and agent provocateur Pat Thomas, the Notebook enjoyed a 4 issue run before Pat pulled the plug. Pat was kind enough to reply to my email questions about the his fanzine days and the full interview (as well as scanned PDFs of the Notebook) are after the jump. Read the rest of this entry »

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Del Rivers & The Electric Cowboys

Del Rivers & The Electric Cowboys

I guess it all started around the late 1970’s. In high school, I kinda got off on pissing-off the Hilton farm boys  that teased me about music. All you would hear is Lynyrd Skynyrd, Genesis, and Stanley Clarke jazz. I was going to train to be a DJ, but sadly our equipment was busted and there were only a few Beatles records worth playing. I never became a DJ at school, but had a reputation for liking alternative stuff and hung out with similar people. I kept buying cool albums, 45s, and 8-tracks that were rebellious or non-popular items. I scoured every budget bin. I was a DJ in my short college days, mostly at parties and a couple bars later on. I hadn’t quite appreciated hard Punk Rock like the Sex Pistols or stuff like Iggy Pop or Johnny Thunders until I met Luke Warm – the most infamous DJ at Scorgies. He often mocked my occasional Fleetwood Mac, Boston or Foreigner T-shirts left over from that time period. My neighbor, Mike Murray (from WITR’s “Whole Lotta Shakin”) grew up near me and is probably responsible for getting me into music and comedy (Ramones & Elvis Costello after school, Saturday Night LIve & SCTV late at night). We would try to outdo each others collection and knowledge of trivia. After seeing New Math open for the Ramones at the Auditorium Theatre, we were hooked on going to Scorgies every week.

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