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New Math in Recoding Studio

New Math in Recording Studio

The scene in Rochester needed to be recorded, pressed to vinyl and then distributed to the masses. Today’s post is an article from Rochester’s City Magazine profiling local entrepreneur Richard Storms and his label, Archive Records.

New Math - "Older Women" b/w "Restless Kind"

New Math - Older Women b/w Restless Kind

There’s a growing movement among rock groups to perform their own works. And local recording facilities are helping that thrust.
by Gregory Lewis


HiTechs - Boogaloo Rendezvous" b/w "Subscriptions (are My Prescription)"

Hi-Techs - Boogaloo Rendezvous b/w Subscriptions (Are My Prescription)

One of the more fascinating aspects of the revival of creativity and energy in the rock music scene is the tremendous upsurge in recording activity that we are currently experiencing. In Rochester that activity centers on a newly formed record label, Archive Records, and on several local bands, including New Math, Bahama Mama, and the Hi-Techs.

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Sifting through the voluminous scans from John Pusateri’s archives, I see that there were quite a few venues that “experimented” with Punk and New Wave. Ultimately it took a club like Scorgies to make it as viable venue for non-mainstream music. By the time I moved to Rochester in 1981, most of the other clubs had reverted to the tried and true “traditional” mainstream acts. It didn’t help that there was little, if any, radio support for music outside of the realm of “Corporate Rock.”

New Math poster for Orange Monkey and the Electric Circus

New Math poster for Orange Monkey and the Electric Circus

New Math Big Daddy's/Orange Monkey gig Poster

Big Daddy/Orange Monkey

Orange Monkey/Electric Circus

Orange Monkey/Electric Circus

My memories of the Orange Monkey are limited. It’s proximity to R.I.T made it a logical choice for a  venue. It also seemed to be the headquarters of the Little Trolls. The doors shut in the early eighties and then turned into the China Gate restaurant. The Electric Circus was located in the heart of the industrial part of Dewey Avenue and Big Daddy’s was at the corner of Lyell and Dewey,  near the old Tent City. That part of the city is still in decline after 30 years; the side streets are dotted with curbside memorials for the victims of street crime.

New Math and Hi-Techs at Gentlemen Jims

New Math and Hi-Techs at Gentlemen Jims

Another long-gone club… was this the club that later became Idols?

New Math at the Penny Arcade

New Math at the Penny Arcade

The Penny Arcade has had some great shows in the past and  continues to persevere into the new Millennium. My post-Scorgies band Lotus STP had one disasterous gig there with the Fertility Rite Brothers in the late eighties. Fittingly enough, Clayton was working there at the time and saw fit to heckle us. Made us REALLY nostalgic for Scorgies!

The Parilament Lounge Fleshtones/Raybeats with Press Tones/Pistoleros

The Parilament Lounge Fleshtones/Raybeats with Press Tones/Pistoleros

I found this flier for the Parliament Lounge in my collection… I believe Rock and Roll Joel and Jim Havalack tried to turn this Bowling Alley/Bar into a viable venue. Suffice to say the owner had other ideas in mind! More to come in a later post from Joel!

Cousin Al at Ruth and Irv's Astrological Fish and Steak

Cousin Al at Ruth and Irv's

Another one from my collection: Ruth and Irv’s Astrological Fish & Steak (everybody loved the name). unfortunately, they were destined to fail.  What was a plus for drinkers (all drink prices $1.50) was a minus for things like profits. This is the original paste-up for the gig flier. Cousin Al, Da Huh (feat. ex-Cappy Mike Houser) and the legendary Bulus. Note the reference to the Brian Bram Show. The Ruth and Irv’s site would later be the home for the original Idols.

Invisible Party @ Schatzees

Invisible Party @ Schatzees

Invisible Party w/ the Bulus at Schatzees

Invisible Party w/ Bulus at Schatzees

Of course, I have to throw a MAJOR shout out to Schatzees, the club whose claim to fame was that they featured the “best bands in the world that would play for the door.” Schatzees would later morph into Richmonds, which carried on much in the same fashion.  It was not uncommon to stumble into Schatzees on a lazy Sunday  & catch Ten Thousand Maniacs and see Natalie Merchant whirling like a dervish

New math/Targets paste-up article

New math/Targets paste-up article

Somebody’s got to teach a class: “Building a Buzz 101” (perhaps a night class at MCC) for aspiring Rock and Roll Stars. Note the recycling of clips from the Times Union, Freetime Magazine and the Democrat and Chronicle.

That’s it for today folks… I’ll add more to this post soon.

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I guess, in a sense, we all found fulfillment of a sorts in a New Wave band; either by watching our local heroes at Scorgies or actually finding the nerve to get up on stage and make noise of our own.  John Pusateri sent me this article, along with a TON of scans documenting the early scene in the late Seventies. I’m posting this article first because Gary’s story is, in essence, everybody’s story.

HIGH SCHOOL CONFIDENTIAL

By Sarah Kortum

Gary Trainer of New Math

Gary Trainer of New Math

In 1970, Gary Trainer (now bass guitar player and song writer for the popular, local new wave band New Math) found himself standing on the Pacific Coast highway, guitar in hand, hitching a ride up to San Francisco. One month earlier, he had graduated from East High School, wearing a peace symbol on his graduation gown.

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More from the Tom Kohn archives… today, I’m posting the “Scene” supplement to the “Music Wave of the Future” article. Note the picture of Geoff Wilson playing bass!

The authenticity of this article has been called into question by none other than Cheetah Chrome, who states that “the story is NOT true… the real news story that night was that Johnny Blitz was only able to play half the set (this was right after returning after his stabbing) and his drum tech finished for him. I remember the night clearly – and it wasn’t the way it’s written.”

This jibes with reports that Dave Sterns story had “mischievous” sources and that some of the interviewees were bent on pulling Dave’s leg and stretching the truth. See comments for more info.

Geoff Wilson, lead singer and bassist for The Bowery Boys.

Geoff Wilson, lead singer and bassist for The Bowery Boys.

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The cool thing about sifting through old newspapers is reading about shows you’ve barely remember; Embarrassingly enough, though, it appears I sang backup on “Gloria” (with Del Rivers, no less) for the Projectiles. I think I need more Ginkgo Bilbao!

Anyway, here’s an article from Pat Thomas’ Notebook written by Brian Goodman about the time the Projectiles “stepped up” to the plate to sub for the Lyres.:

Projectiles - Notebook Winter 85 Issue

Projectiles - Notebook Winter 85 Issue

Alphonso Cappelli (AKA Brian Goodman)

On November 16th, 1 got into my ’65 Dodge Dart and headed off to Scorgies to see The Lyres. When I arrived I was informed that The Lyres hadn’t shown up yet. So I paid the cover and went in. What happened to me after that was that 1 discovered one of the best Rochester 60’s bands since The Cavemen. So I quickly made my way to the front of the stage so I could see what their bass drum said. After pushing a big drunk guy out of my way, I could see that it said The PROJECTILES. It was written in lettering just like an old poster for The CHOCOLATE WATCHBAND  playing at The FILMORE (Wes Wilson, Rick Griffin-artists) The sounds 1 heard were devastating ***** Such as Question of Temp., I Wanna Come Back From The World of LS.D. and Bad Little Woman. 1 stood in amazment as I watched them hammer out about 30 songs in one set. As soon as they left the stage, I quickly started yellin’ MORE MORE. ***** But local legend Stan “The Man” got on stage and made the announcement The Lyres had cancelled. The first thing that came to my mind was that the opening band would be back to play more. Just then Stan said that they would be back and there was gonna be a 10 minute open bar. Cool daddy-o **** After about a 20 min. break, The PROJECTILES took the stage. They started the 2nd set with the classic GLORIA. On lead vocals was Mick (Hidden Charms-Boss Beat) Del Rivers and Stan on backing vocal. After the mayhem, it was back to business. They started playin’ classic nuggets like Public Execution, Mouse and the Traps, the list is endless. A good time was had by all. After the show, I quickly ran after the band to find out their names and where they’d
be playin’ next. They told me that nothing was going on until Jan. 11th and that COUSIN AL and THE NEW GENERATION were gonna be the opening band.

So see you there, So long for now. Alphonso Cappelli

Alphonso Cappelli is a freelance writer who has never written a thing in his life before this. He has also never typed before this. *********

THE PROJECTILES ARE:
Kevin Keefer — Vox Bass
Jerry Flanigan — Guitar, vocals
Den Frank — Guitar, vocals
Tony Pilato– Farfisa Organ, vocals
Brian Goodman– Drums, vocals

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I have an Antoinettes cassette waiting to be archived here at Stan the Man HQ; until then here’s a Marshall Fine piece on the Antoinette’s last Scorgies show. Prior to the Antoinettes, Meegan, Margie and Kim were members of Syracuse’s Pop-Tarts! More on that here.

I’ve heard from Kim Milai, she’s still making (and teaching) music in Virginia. Details here.

BIG APPLE BOUND

The rockin’ Antoinettes, Rochester’s only all-woman band, will move on soon in search of bigger breaks

By MARSHALL FINE
Times-Union

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Caught up with scenester Jim Buhlman (a.k.a. Del Rivers) last week; he shared with me a smattering of his treasure trove. Here’s a Dave Stearns article from January 16, 1980. While it centers on Penny Arcade’s “New Wave Mondays” it highlights New Math, Cappy and the Frenchmen, Bowery Boys and King Juke. Paul, I didn’t know you were in a band that wrote songs about French Poodles!

The Music Wave of the Future

You hear the music of the New Wave. Some people feel it, too. They talk about it, in its own language. To them, New Wave is no longer just a fad; it makes the earth move. Short hair and functional clothing are taking the place of the sprayed coifs and disco suits of the ‘70s and the long hair of the ‘60s. New Wave is streamlined for people with little money and lots of energy. Is this a music, a lifestyle for the ‘80s?
By DAVE STEARNS

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Jim Malley (of Mercury Posters) is putting together a band flier show at the Record Archive, opening September 4th. While going though my archives, I found this New Math handout; it dates back to the release party for New Math’s “They Walk Among You” on March 12th, 1982.

I guess if the reunion had actually happened I would have had to cut the coupon out of the bottom half. If I had actually put this in my wallet, it would have disintegrated!

Coupon passed out at Record Release Party for "They Walk Among You"

Coupon passed out at Record Release Party

And Duane, you’ll have to confirm this bit of trivia… wasn’t the video for “They Walk Among You” shot on the Pittsford Sutherland High School stage using the set from “Bye Bye Birdie?”

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If you search for “Blair Buscareno” on Google you will (hopefully) find his posts on the BOMP mail lists and text archives of articles he wrote for his fanzine, “Teen Scene.” Here’s his post from the “Do You Remember Scorgies?” blog:

“I’m fairly sure my first trip to Scorgie’s would’ve been in the early Fall of ’84, as a sophomore at the U of R. (Freshman year, I’d seen the BBBs and a couple other local bands on campus, but didn’t have anyone to go to shows with off-campus. In the summer of ’84, however, I ran into Matthew Kaplan at a Mosquitos/Lyres show at Irving Plaza in NYC. When school started up again that fall, we went to tons of shows.)

As I think back, things kind of blur together…Some absolutely mindblowing Chesterfield Kings’ shows, with Janice going nuts. The Vipers a couple times, once with the Mosquitos. The Lyres. Rain Parade, Long Ryders… So many amazing shows.

The time I showed up to see Absolute Grey w/the Cucumbers and saw The Cucumbers onstage when I arrived. I thought I’d missed the Grey, but when I saw Pat, he said, “Oh no…*We’re* headlining.” I’d automatically assumed the out-of-town band would be on top of the bill, never even considering that it was the Grey everyone would really be paying to see.

I met tons of wonderful people at Scorgie’s: Lynn Dell, Chaz Lockwood, Anna Christian, Suzie Mainzer, Olivia Smith, Dave Anderson, Brian Goodman…The list goes on.

I loved many things about Scorgie’s…Walking in by the bar, going back to a jukebox that had records by the Chesterfield Kings, the Lyres, the Vipers, etc. Being able to get bar food. (Living as I do in the NYC area, bar food is extremely rare.) Then going downstairs for the shows. The set-up down there was fantastic, too. The tables on both sides of the dance floor. The stage in front and bar in back. And I remember Scorgie’s as the first place I ever saw 60s TV show clips with rock’n’roll bands on them. Stuff like The Seeds on the Mothers-In-Law.

I also remember the mid-80s as a great time for live music in New York State, in part because the drinking age was still low enough (18, then 19) that just about anyone could get in somehow. (It didn’t hurt that the driver’s license was an unlaminated piece of cardboard with no picture!) And girls had even less of a problem. Geez, I look back at that list of people I met at Scorgie’s and it hits me that *none* of those girls was of legal drinking age when I met them. In fact, I think Olivia was 14.

Things never seemed the same to me after Scorgie’s closed. And, really, I’m not sure I’ve ever been to a rock club that appealed to me in the same way. (And this is from someone who’s spent his entire adult life constantly going to shows.) Even now, I know for a fact that Scorgie’s is one of the greatest clubs I’ve ever been to. And I’ve hung out in some great ones…Maxwells in Hoboken, CBGB’s, Magnetic Field in Brooklyn, various venues throughout the Northeast on a regular basis, as well as ones in many other places. But Scorgie’s was something special.”

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Chas Lockwood, Jim Huie, Stan Merrell, Pete Latham, Andy Hargrave

L-R: Chas Lockwood, Jim Huie, Stan Merrell, Pete Latham, Andy Hargrave. Photo by Russ Lunn

The distance from point “A” to point “B” was very short in those days…  I started hanging out at the Record Archive after moving to Rochester in 1981. I became friends with Rock and Roll Joel and became a disc jockey on WRUR FM. Joel really introduced me to the Rochester Scene. The first band I remember meeting and being in awe of was the Press tones. Pete and Simon came down to the station with Karen, Andi and Molly in tow. I was impressed.

The summer of 1981 was very important to me; I spent most of my time either working at the Record Archive or spinning records at WRUR. I would usually take any empty slot on the schedule, but held a regular slot entitled “Pipeline” (later “Primetime”) which aired after “Radio One.” After my shift at WRUR was done, I’d stop by Scorgies to see what was happening. The next band I befriended was Personal Effects. I loved their sound. They had a great single (as the Hi techs) on the Archive label “Screamin’ You Head” which we gave quite a lot of airplay to. It was great getting to know them during this highly creative and formative time in their life.  My co-worker at the Archive, the incredibly sardonic Mike Holm, had joined them on guitar. I was deejaying at the Red Creek part time and caught that line up; it reminded me a bit of Gang of Four, one of my favorite bands. When Bernie joined the band I recognized him because he had worked  with my friend  (and future band mate) Andy Hargrave.

After I had been on WRUR for a while, regular listeners started to come over to the Record Archive and hang out in the Back Room. That’s how I met Pat Thomas (Absolute Grey) and Brian Goodman as well as other miscreants and misfits. Much to my surprise, Brian Goodman stopped in one day to ask me to manage his cousin’s band. As Brian told me at the time, he suggested to his cousin Al that they should “ask Stan the Man to manage the band. He can be Stan the Manager!”And that’s how I became manager of Cousin Al and the Relatives.

I soon found out that managing Cousin Al was akin to Captain Lou Albano managing NRBQ (they got the idea first; Cindi Lauper stole the idea from them). One part actual managing and 10 parts showmanship. I joined them for their gig on “Up All Nite with Brian Bram” and coordinated a video appearance for them on my cable access show “Wild Future” but the novelty was wearing off. Brian Goodman left the band to join the Projectiles. Jim Huie from the BBB’s joined the band and took Brian’s place. The next Relative to leave was Pete Badore (he  later Joined Frantic Frank’s first band). All replaced Pete with Pete Latham (a re-Pete occasion, natch). Ken “Cole” Stahl was added as lead guitarist, leaving Chaz playing rhythm.

At this point I wanted (as a manager) take the band to the next level. Joe King Carrasco had played Scorgies (he was a wild front man!) and had a video in heavy rotation on MTV (remember “Party Weekend”?). I felt that Al, with the right material, could go far. I had given Al some ideas (anyone remember “Cheese Dog?) and had  ideas for publicity pictures.  But Al wasn’t too keen about my ideas as they didn’t fit the Jan and Dean model of what a surf band should be like. He was a purist, god bless his surfin’ heart.

Around the same time,  Jim Huie and Russ Lunn needed a roommate for a house they were renting on Richard St. I moved in, stopped “managing” Al and soon discovered I was forming a band with Jim Huie, Chas Lockwood and Pete Badore, the original bassist from Cousin Al (Al soldiered on with Ken “Cole” (actually Stahl) and Pete Latham, recording Chaz’s “Surfing on the Barge Canal”). One day, while working at the Record Archive on Monroe Ave (the first satellite store), I made Pat Thomas a mix tape entitled “Invisible Party” which then became our band name. We were aching at that time to catch up to Absolute Grey and play out.

This iteration of Invisible Party would later go on to record the first single released by Dave Anderson’s Jargon Records. Like Cousin Al, we too would lose Pete Badeore as a member. True to form, Pete’s shoes were filled by Pete Latham. Later on, we would flesh out the sound with the addition of Andy Hargrave on guitar. This is the lineup in the picture above. However, I think our antics had started to catch up to us and our landlord decided it was time to sell the house we had been renting.

Looking back, I guess i would say the one thing I remember most about Scorgies was opening for the established local bands and headliners like the Neats, Willie Alexander and 10,000 Maniacs. Great shows with our friends Absolute Grey; they would cheer us on as much we would cheer for them. A good opening slot gave up-and-comers like us tons of exposure. Take a look at the list of shows archived on this site and you’ll notice that Paul and Peggi provided a lot of bands their first Scorgies exposure. Opening for Personal Effects was like playing ball at a class AAA club, honing your talent until you would get called up to play in the Big Show.

All in all, there was an air of potential possibilities back then.

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