{"id":742,"date":"2008-10-06T11:04:11","date_gmt":"2008-10-06T15:04:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scorgies.com\/blog\/?p=742"},"modified":"2008-10-06T11:04:11","modified_gmt":"2008-10-06T15:04:11","slug":"often-imitated-never-duplicated","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scorgies.com\/blog\/?p=742","title":{"rendered":"Often Imitated, Never Duplicated"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Sifting through the voluminous scans from John Pusateri&#8217;s archives, I see that there were quite a few venues that &#8220;experimented&#8221; with Punk and New Wave. Ultimately it took a club like <strong>Scorgies<\/strong> to make it as viable venue for non-mainstream music. By the time I moved to Rochester in 1981, most of the other clubs had reverted to the tried and true &#8220;traditional&#8221; mainstream acts. It didn&#8217;t help that there was little, if any, radio support for music outside of the realm of &#8220;Corporate Rock.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_745\" style=\"width: 280px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/o-monkey_-new-math014.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-745\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-745\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/o-monkey_-new-math014-450x348.jpg\" alt=\"New Math poster for Orange Monkey and the Electric Circus\" width=\"270\" height=\"209\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-745\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">New Math poster for Orange Monkey and the Electric Circus<\/p><\/div>\n<address> <\/address>\n<div id=\"attachment_750\" style=\"width: 288px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/big-daddys_o-monkey-_-nm033.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-750\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-750\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/big-daddys_o-monkey-_-nm033-347x450.jpg\" alt=\"New Math Big Daddy's\/Orange Monkey gig Poster \" width=\"278\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-750\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Big Daddy\/Orange Monkey<\/p><\/div>\n<p style=\"center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/DOCUME~1\/Daddio\/LOCALS~1\/Temp\/moz-screenshot.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_754\" style=\"width: 288px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/o-monkey-_elec-circus_nm035.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-754\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-754\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/o-monkey-_elec-circus_nm035-347x450.jpg\" alt=\"Orange Monkey\/Electric Circus\" width=\"278\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-754\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Orange Monkey\/Electric Circus<\/p><\/div>\n<p>My memories of the<strong> Orange Monkey <\/strong>are limited. It&#8217;s proximity to R.I.T made it a logical choice for a\u00a0 venue. It also seemed to be the headquarters of the <strong>Little Trolls. <\/strong>The doors shut in the early eighties and then turned into the <strong>China Gate<\/strong> restaurant. The <strong>Electric Circus<\/strong> was located in the heart of the industrial part of Dewey Avenue<strong> <\/strong>and <strong>Big Daddy&#8217;s<\/strong> was at the corner of Lyell and Dewey,\u00a0 near the old Tent City. That part of the city is still in decline after 30 years; the side streets are dotted with curbside memorials for the victims of street crime.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_747\" style=\"width: 280px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/gentleman-jims-_-nm-hi-techs-026.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-747\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-747\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/gentleman-jims-_-nm-hi-techs-026-450x341.jpg\" alt=\"New Math and Hi-Techs at Gentlemen Jims\" width=\"270\" height=\"205\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-747\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">New Math and Hi-Techs at Gentlemen Jims<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Another long-gone club&#8230; was this the club that later became Idols?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_748\" style=\"width: 254px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/penny-archive_new-math-023.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-748\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-748\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/penny-archive_new-math-023-348x450.jpg\" alt=\"New Math at the Penny Arcade\" width=\"244\" height=\"315\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-748\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">New Math at the Penny Arcade<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The <strong>Penny Arcade<\/strong> has had some great shows in the past and\u00a0 continues to persevere into the new Millennium. My post-Scorgies band <a title=\"Lotus STP\" href=\"http:\/\/www.greendoch.com\/lstp\/\" target=\"_blank\">Lotus STP<\/a> had one disasterous gig there with the Fertility Rite Brothers in the late eighties. Fittingly enough, Clayton was working there at the time and saw fit to heckle us. Made us REALLY nostalgic for <strong>Scorgies<\/strong>!<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_769\" style=\"width: 290px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/parliament0043.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-769\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-769\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/parliament0043-350x450.jpg\" alt=\"The Parilament Lounge Fleshtones\/Raybeats with Press Tones\/Pistoleros\" width=\"280\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-769\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Parilament Lounge Fleshtones\/Raybeats with Press Tones\/Pistoleros<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I found this flier for the Parliament Lounge in my collection&#8230; I believe Rock and Roll Joel and Jim Havalack tried to turn this Bowling Alley\/Bar into a viable venue. Suffice to say the owner had other ideas in mind! More to come in a later post from Joel!<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_812\" style=\"width: 281px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/cousinal0047.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-812\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-812\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/cousinal0047-339x450.jpg\" alt=\"Cousin Al at Ruth and Irv's Astrological Fish and Steak\" width=\"271\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-812\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cousin Al at Ruth and Irv&#39;s<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Another one from my collection: Ruth and Irv&#8217;s Astrological Fish &amp; Steak (everybody loved the name). unfortunately, they were destined to fail.\u00a0 What was a plus for drinkers (all drink prices $1.50) was a minus for things like profits. This is the original paste-up for the gig flier. Cousin Al, Da Huh (feat. ex-Cappy Mike Houser) and the legendary Bulus. Note the reference to the Brian Bram Show. The Ruth and Irv&#8217;s site would later be the home for the original Idols.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_864\" style=\"width: 289px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/ip_schatzees.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-864\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-864\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/ip_schatzees-349x450.jpg\" alt=\"Invisible Party @ Schatzees\" width=\"279\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-864\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Invisible Party @ Schatzees<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_869\" style=\"width: 285px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/ip-bulus.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-869\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-869\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/ip-bulus-306x450.jpg\" alt=\"Invisible Party w\/ the Bulus at Schatzees\" width=\"275\" height=\"405\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-869\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Invisible Party w\/  Bulus at Schatzees<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Of course, I have to throw a MAJOR shout out to Schatzees, the club whose claim to fame was that they featured the &#8220;best bands in the world that would play for the door.&#8221; Schatzees would later morph into Richmonds, which carried on much in the same fashion.\u00a0 It was not uncommon to stumble into Schatzees on a lazy Sunday\u00a0 &amp; catch Ten Thousand Maniacs and see Natalie Merchant whirling like a dervish<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_757\" style=\"width: 290px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/scorgies_targets-_-nm027.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[742]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-757\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-757\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockinrochester.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/scorgies_targets-_-nm027-350x450.jpg\" alt=\"New math\/Targets paste-up article\" width=\"280\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-757\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">New math\/Targets paste-up article<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Somebody&#8217;s got to teach a class: &#8220;Building a Buzz 101&#8221; (perhaps a night class at MCC) for aspiring Rock and Roll Stars. Note the recycling of clips from the <strong>Times Union<\/strong>, <strong>Freetime Magazine<\/strong> and the <strong>Democrat and Chronicle. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s it for today folks&#8230; I&#8217;ll add more to this post soon.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sifting through the voluminous scans from John Pusateri&#8217;s archives, I see that there were quite a few venues that &#8220;experimented&#8221; with Punk and New Wave. Ultimately it took a club like Scorgies to make it as viable venue for non-mainstream music. 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